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| [00:16] | Is that all you got? | |
| [00:20] | I was hoping to trade these for some coffee beans. | |
| [00:24] | You hungry? | |
| [00:26] | Yeah. | |
| [00:28] | Get some water. | |
| [00:29] | I’ll make lunch. | |
| [00:50] | You know what to do, son. | |
| [00:52] | Yes, sir. | |
| [00:54] | Remember… | |
| [00:55] | this is our land. | |
| [00:57] | It’s kill or be killed. | |
| [01:08] | Mr. Schwieger. State Police. | |
| [01:10] | I need you to step outside. | |
| [01:12] | Now. | |
| [01:19] | Kill or be killed. | |
| [01:23] | So where are we going? | |
| [01:24] | What are we doing? | |
| [01:26] | And who is this wonder of wonders I just have to meet? | |
| [01:28] | What did you call him? A walking anachronism? | |
| [01:31] | Lucas Schwieger, 16. | |
| [01:33] | He never attended school. | |
| [01:35] | He lives a completely sheltered existence | |
| [01:37] | in a cabin with no electricity or running water | |
| [01:40] | in the woods above Sullivan County. | |
| [01:42] | His father, whom he lived with, | |
| [01:44] | described himself as a radical survivalist. | |
| [01:46] | He was, as far as I can tell, the only person | |
| [01:49] | that Lucas had any sustained contact with | |
| [01:51] | during his 16 years of life. | |
| [01:53] | Wow. | |
| [01:55] | A caseworker with Child Protective Services | |
| [01:57] | heard about him, grew concerned, came to pay him a visit… | |
| [02:00] | escorted by the New York State Police. | |
| [02:03] | “Father and son opened fire, killing the caseworker | |
| [02:06] | “and wounding the State Police officer, | |
| [02:08] | who fired back, killing the father.” | |
| [02:12] | Ballistics indicate that while Lucas shot the police officer, | |
| [02:15] | wounding him in the leg, he didn’t actually kill anyone. | |
| [02:18] | It was the father’s gun that did that. | |
| [02:20] | Nonetheless, he’s being charged as an adult for murder | |
| [02:22] | as part of a joint venture. | |
| [02:24] | Does he even understand what’s going on? The charges? | |
| [02:27] | That they want him to stand trial? | |
| [02:30] | They want to punish him for what happened? | |
| [02:32] | He didn’t even understand what an attorney was | |
| [02:34] | until I explained it to him. | |
| [02:36] | You know, it’s not like he’s mentally impaired. | |
| [02:38] | In fact, in the little time I’ve spent with him, | |
| [02:40] | he seems innately intelligent. | |
| [02:41] | But his only understanding of the world | |
| [02:43] | is what’s been taught to him by his father. | |
| [02:45] | Well, obviously, some doctor, somewhere, | |
| [02:47] | deemed him fit to stand trial. | |
| [02:49] | You should also know that Lucas did speak | |
| [02:51] | to the police on the record. | |
| [02:53] | He already admitted he shot the officer. | |
| [02:55] | Expressed clear intent. | |
| [02:57] | Insisted he would do it again. | |
| [03:19] | He’s a friend. | |
| [03:25] | My name’s Dr. Jason Bull. | |
| [03:27] | Dr. Statton wanted me to meet you. | |
| [03:29] | See if I could help you. | |
| [03:30] | Doctor? | |
| [03:33] | I’m not sick. | |
| [03:34] | No. I’m not the doctor that helps sick people. | |
| [03:37] | I’m the doctor that helps people when they get into trouble, | |
| [03:40] | when they have to go to court. | |
| [03:41] | Do you know what court is? | |
| [03:44] | Did Dr. Statton explain about court to you? | |
| [03:51] | Let me start over. | |
| [03:54] | First of all, I’m sorry about your father. | |
| [03:59] | They had better guns. | |
| [04:04] | How about your mom? | |
| [04:07] | Do you ever see her? | |
| [04:09] | Is there any way I could talk to her? | |
| [04:11] | No. | |
| [04:12] | She hung herself. | |
| [04:14] | It was when I was a little kid. | |
| [04:17] | I’m sorry. | |
| [04:26] | Lucas… | |
| [04:28] | do you understand you could spend | |
| [04:30] | the rest of your life in here, in jail? | |
| [04:32] | And I’m guessing you don’t want that. Am I right? | |
| [04:35] | I just want to go home. | |
| [04:36] | And that’s what we want to try and make happen. | |
| [04:40] | You all right with that? | |
| [04:46] | I guess so. | |
| [04:48] | All right. | |
| [04:50] | Let me get back to my office, get this started. | |
| [04:53] | I’m sure I’m gonna want to talk to you some more. | |
| [04:56] | In the meantime, is there anything I can bring you? | |
| [04:58] | Anything you miss? Maybe some books? | |
| [05:07] | Well, if you think of anything. | |
| [05:28] | – This is Lucas Schwieger. – 16 years old. | |
| [05:30] | Charged with murder in the death | |
| [05:32] | of a New York State Children’s Services caseworker. | |
| [05:34] | Yeah. We all got Bull’s e-mail about this kid. | |
| [05:36] | He can’t read. Barely speaks. | |
| [05:38] | Lived with his dad off the grid | |
| [05:40] | his whole life. And let’s not forget | |
| [05:42] | he confessed to the crime. | |
| [05:44] | So I’ll just say it. | |
| [05:45] | Can we even help this boy? | |
| [05:47] | We’ve got the surviving police officer’s testimony. | |
| [05:49] | Plus the confession. | |
| [05:51] | And this client doesn’t seem like he’s | |
| [05:53] | in a position to really help his own defense. | |
| [05:54] | And what kind of narrative? | |
| [05:56] | What kind of story can you tell a jury | |
| [05:57] | that makes it okay to ambush a caseworker and a trooper? | |
| [06:00] | Bull wants to mount | |
| [06:01] | a defense based on persuasive coercion. | |
| [06:04] | Our position will be that, because of Lucas’s sheltered | |
| [06:07] | and isolated upbringing, he didn’t know what he was doing, | |
| [06:09] | other than following the instructions of, | |
| [06:11] | quite literally, the only person in his life His father. | |
| [06:16] | Norman Schwieger was delusional | |
| [06:19] | and paranoid and controlling. | |
| [06:21] | He was convinced that humankind was on the verge | |
| [06:24] | of a cataclysmic end and thought the only way to survive | |
| [06:26] | was to live a completely self-sustaining life | |
| [06:29] | away from the scrutiny of other human beings. | |
| [06:32] | And he forced his son to live the same way… | |
| [06:35] | cloistered on their small plot of land, | |
| [06:37] | which they didn’t even really own, | |
| [06:39] | which Norman rigged with trip-wired alarms | |
| [06:41] | to warn them of any trespassers. | |
| [06:42] | Okay. I’ll ask. | |
| [06:44] | What is persuasive coercion? | |
| [06:46] | Basically, Bull wants to argue for all intents and purposes | |
| [06:49] | that Lucas’s father exercised a kind of mind control over him. | |
| [06:52] | Denied the boy a voice | |
| [06:54] | in any decision-making of any kind. | |
| [06:57] | His job was simply to do what he was told. | |
| [07:00] | And as a result, he had no experience choosing | |
| [07:02] | between right and wrong, no experience choosing anything. | |
| [07:04] | The problem is, it’s an affirmative defense. | |
| [07:07] | Hi. Zero years of law school here. | |
| [07:09] | Though I did watch a lot of Ally McBealback in the ’90s. | |
| [07:12] | So what does that mean? “Affirmative defense”? | |
| [07:15] | That means that going in, we admit | |
| [07:16] | to what the prosecution claims he did. | |
| [07:18] | And now it puts the burden on us to present evidence | |
| [07:20] | that will negate his having done it. | |
| [07:22] | Basically, yes, he shot at those people, but no, | |
| [07:25] | given the circumstances, it wasn’t his fault. | |
| [07:28] | And how do we make that argument? | |
| [07:29] | Is there anyone left to testify? | |
| [07:32] | With Lucas’s father dead, it leaves us without one witness | |
| [07:35] | who can tell the jury about the crazy way that Lucas grew up. | |
| [07:38] | And based on Bull’s e-mails, | |
| [07:39] | it’s highly unlikely that we’ll be able | |
| [07:41] | to put Lucas himself on the stand. | |
| [07:43] | Wait a second. | |
| [07:44] | Someone saw something, | |
| [07:46] | because Child Protective Services | |
| [07:47] | were sent to this house. | |
| [07:49] | I know those calls are confidential, | |
| [07:50] | but I’ll start digging and see if I can find out who did it. | |
| [07:53] | You know what the trick is gonna be? | |
| [07:54] | Trying to get a jury to connect with this kid | |
| [07:58] | despite everything about his life | |
| [08:00] | being vastly different from their own. | |
| [08:03] | I can’t wait to hear what the big guy has to say. | |
| [08:06] | You ever seen one of these before? | |
| [08:09] | It’s called a tie. | |
| [08:11] | It’s what men wear when they want to be taken seriously. | |
| [08:16] | It hurts. Hurts my neck. | |
| [08:19] | Well, every man who’s ever put one of these on | |
| [08:22] | has thought that, but still… | |
| [08:25] | people have been wearing them for hundreds of years. | |
| [08:30] | Went to church once. | |
| [08:32] | Saw some there. | |
| [08:37] | So, today… today is all about picking jurors, | |
| [08:40] | the people who decide whether to punish you or not. | |
| [08:43] | Mr. Colón is gonna be asking people questions. | |
| [08:45] | You don’t have to do anything; Just sit there. | |
| [08:47] | Try not to react. | |
| [08:48] | And don’t say a word unless I tell you to. | |
| [08:51] | Remember, people are gonna be looking at you. Okay? | |
| [08:54] | Trying to figure out who you are. | |
| [08:56] | They might make funny faces. Don’t make any back. | |
| [08:58] | You just sit there, try to smile. | |
| [08:59] | It’s probably gonna take the whole day. | |
| [09:01] | Mr. Colón and I will do our best | |
| [09:02] | to get you out of there as quickly as possible. | |
| [09:31] | Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. | |
| [09:32] | Let me ask you all a question. | |
| [09:34] | How many of you, especially when you were teenagers, | |
| [09:38] | had a less than terrific relationship with your parents? | |
| [09:41] | You, sir. | |
| [09:43] | You were at war with your folks a lot? | |
| [09:45] | Well, my old man was a taskmaster. | |
| [09:47] | Very old-school. | |
| [09:49] | And I was the kind of kid who didn’t really like rules. | |
| [09:51] | Got it. | |
| [09:53] | And all of you pretty much feel the same way? | |
| [09:55] | That your parents didn’t necessarily know best? | |
| [10:02] | Your Honor, the defense would like to thank | |
| [10:04] | and excuse jurors number three, | |
| [10:07] | eight, ten and 12. | |
| [10:11] | We need jurors who see Lucas was a part of a cult of two. | |
| [10:14] | Brainwashed to hate like a sort of Manchurian Candidate. | |
| [10:18] | And how do we do that? | |
| [10:20] | We look for people who can be persuaded to follow a leader. | |
| [10:24] | They may not understand the environment Lucas | |
| [10:26] | was raised in, but they can relate | |
| [10:29] | to his need to do as he’s told. | |
| [10:30] | People who are risk averse | |
| [10:33] | and make middle-of-the-road decisions. | |
| [10:35] | So, tell me, sir, | |
| [10:36] | do you invest in the stock market? | |
| [10:38] | I do. | |
| [10:40] | Do you buy tech stocks, high-risk investments, | |
| [10:42] | or are you more of a S&P 500 | |
| [10:44] | kind of investor? | |
| [10:46] | I actually like to go with mutual funds. | |
| [10:48] | Let someone who knows what they’re doing decide for me. | |
| [10:50] | Play it safe. Get a steady return. | |
| [10:55] | Your Honor, the defense finds this juror acceptable. | |
| [10:57] | And we have our jury. | |
| [10:59] | The court is in recess until tomorrow morning. | |
| [11:04] | Nice job. | |
| [11:05] | You did everything we asked perfectly. | |
| [11:08] | We had a good day. | |
| [11:10] | Does that mean I can go home now? | |
| [11:12] | No. No. | |
| [11:15] | I’m sorry, this is… | |
| [11:17] | gonna take many days. | |
| [11:19] | Today was a good day but not the only day. | |
| [11:22] | Are you going home? | |
| [11:25] | Yes. | |
| [11:31] | Is he going home now? | |
| [11:33] | Yes. | |
| [11:38] | But not me? | |
| [11:42] | Not yet. | |
| [12:01] | What are we gonna do about this confession? | |
| [12:04] | Talk about taking advantage of someone’s limited capacity. | |
| [12:07] | That’s why I hung around… I wanted to get it | |
| [12:09] | in front of both of you. It’s pretty damning. | |
| [12:11] | I get the feeling, if they had asked him | |
| [12:12] | where Hoffa’s body was buried, he would have told them. | |
| [12:14] | How about I file a motion | |
| [12:16] | to get the confession thrown out first thing in the morning? | |
| [12:18] | That’s how you get to be Benjamin Colón. | |
| [12:21] | Does that mean we’re done for the day? | |
| [12:23] | I know I am. | |
| [12:31] | Are you happy? | |
| [12:33] | I’m sorry? | |
| [12:35] | Are you happy? | |
| [12:37] | I am lying here naked next to my naked husband, | |
| [12:41] | watching do-it-yourself bathroom projects at 830 at night. | |
| [12:45] | I’m euphoric. | |
| [12:47] | Why? | |
| [12:52] | I don’t know… | |
| [12:54] | the mail was piling up, and I finally got around | |
| [12:56] | to going through it, | |
| [12:58] | and there was a thing from a fertility clinic. | |
| [13:02] | A bill. | |
| [13:04] | They wanted to know if they should keep your eggs frozen | |
| [13:08] | or just… throw ’em away. | |
| [13:15] | I didn’t even know that you had frozen some eggs. | |
| [13:20] | I didn’t even know that you… | |
| [13:22] | wanted kids. | |
| [13:24] | I mean… | |
| [13:26] | I seem to recall when we first got married | |
| [13:29] | that we sort of figured out that… | |
| [13:31] | we didn’t… want them. | |
| [13:34] | God. | |
| [13:36] | I so didn’t see this conversation coming. | |
| [13:41] | I love what we have. | |
| [13:43] | I love our life just the way it is. | |
| [13:46] | But we’re paying to keep your eggs | |
| [13:48] | in some stranger’s Deepfreeze. | |
| [13:51] | I know. | |
| [13:54] | How can I explain this to you? | |
| [13:58] | After our divorce… | |
| [14:01] | friends with kids kept telling me | |
| [14:03] | that something’s gonna happen, | |
| [14:05] | that I’d suddenly want them, too. | |
| [14:07] | That some switch would flip and it would be too late, | |
| [14:11] | and this was something I needed to plan for. | |
| [14:14] | And you’re right, | |
| [14:16] | I never had that thing, that… kid thing, | |
| [14:18] | “Don’t be stupid. | |
| [14:21] | You don’t know how you’re gonna feel in five years.” | |
| [14:25] | So I did it. I… | |
| [14:27] | just… did it. | |
| [14:30] | I guess… | |
| [14:33] | deep down… | |
| [14:36] | I wanted to have the option. | |
| [14:41] | So did it happen? | |
| [14:43] | Did your… switch flip? | |
| [14:48] | I really don’t know. | |
| [14:51] | How would you feel if it did? | |
| [14:53] | I really don’t know, either. | |
| [14:59] | I think… | |
| [15:01] | I need to give it some thought before I answer. | |
| [15:07] | Okay. | |
| [15:08] | I think I do, too. | |
| [15:11] | Okay. | |
| [15:28] | So, this morning is just gonna be about Mr. Colón | |
| [15:32] | trying to convince the court to ignore | |
| [15:34] | what you told the police when they arrested you. | |
| [15:36] | The jury’s not even gonna be there. | |
| [15:38] | Did I say something bad? | |
| [15:41] | Well, you said you did it, and you said you’d do it again. | |
| [15:49] | Should I say something different? | |
| [15:53] | No. Just… | |
| [15:55] | do what you did yesterday | |
| [15:56] | Don’t speak unless Mr. Colón asks you to. | |
| [15:58] | Just sit. | |
| [16:00] | We’ll do the rest. | |
| [16:04] | Your Honor, the defense would like to file | |
| [16:06] | a motion to suppress Lucas Schwieger’s statements | |
| [16:09] | to the police at the time of his arrest. | |
| [16:11] | It’s gonna be fine. | |
| [16:12] | Your Honor, there are simply | |
| [16:13] | no grounds for this. | |
| [16:15] | The defendant made a knowing and voluntary | |
| [16:17] | and intelligent waiver. | |
| [16:19] | “A knowing and voluntary and intelligent waiver.” | |
| [16:21] | Your Honor, prior to my client’s arrest, | |
| [16:23] | he had never even seen a state trooper | |
| [16:26] | or a courtroom or, for that matter, an attorney. | |
| [16:29] | He didn’t even know what an attorney was, | |
| [16:31] | didn’t know he had rights under the law. | |
| [16:33] | He didn’t know anything. | |
| [16:35] | Nothing but what his father told him, | |
| [16:37] | and his father, who suffered from delusions | |
| [16:39] | and paranoia and a host of other mental illnesses, | |
| [16:43] | basically told him | |
| [16:44] | that anyone who was not one of the two of them | |
| [16:47] | was bad and needed to die. | |
| [16:49] | He never said that! He-he just… he said | |
| [16:51] | it was our land, and we had to kill or be killed! | |
| [16:53] | Lucas. My dad taught me how to carve. He taught me how to fish. | |
| [16:56] | Lucas. He-he taught me how to shoot. | |
| [16:58] | Counselor, control your client. | |
| [16:59] | They came on our land. It was kill or be killed! Lucas. | |
| [17:04] | My apologies, Your Honor. | |
| [17:07] | As you can clearly see… | |
| [17:09] | my client is a victim | |
| [17:11] | of a cruel and sadistic upbringing, | |
| [17:13] | one that kept the world away at all costs. | |
| [17:15] | He simply doesn’t know any better. | |
| [17:18] | He couldn’t possibly have been expected | |
| [17:20] | to understand his rights | |
| [17:21] | or the consequences of speaking without an attorney present. | |
| [17:24] | – No, no, no, no, no! – They killed him! | |
| [17:25] | They came on our land, and they killed him! | |
| [17:28] | Lucas, stop. We shot at them, | |
| [17:29] | but they came on our land! JUDGE Mr. Schwieger, | |
| [17:31] | I need you to stay in your seat | |
| [17:33] | and to refrain from speaking. I didn’t do nothing wrong! | |
| [17:35] | Officer, return Mr. Schwieger to holding, please, | |
| [17:38] | immediately. | |
| [17:41] | It’s okay. You need to go with him. | |
| [17:44] | It’s gonna be all right. | |
| [17:46] | Let’s go. | |
| [17:58] | This is one of those moments in a judge’s life. | |
| [18:04] | So… let’s talk law. | |
| [18:07] | I certainly see the validity of your argument, Mr. Colón. | |
| [18:11] | “Knowing and voluntary and intelligent” | |
| [18:13] | hardly describes what went on here. | |
| [18:15] | Your motion to suppress Mr. Schwieger’s statement | |
| [18:17] | to the police from evidence is granted. | |
| [18:20] | However… | |
| [18:22] | I’m not sure the omission of the statement | |
| [18:24] | will matter much to the jury if you can’t rein in | |
| [18:27] | your client’s behavior. | |
| [18:29] | Yes, Your Honor. | |
| [18:31] | Thank you, Your Honor. | |
| [18:34] | What did we get ourselves into here? | |
| [18:38] | He couldn’t even keep it together | |
| [18:40] | for a ten-minute motion hearing. | |
| [18:42] | How is he supposed to make it | |
| [18:44] | through eight hours a day of court? | |
| [18:48] | May I ask who’s calling? | |
| [18:50] | This is he. | |
| [18:54] | I see. | |
| [18:57] | I see. | |
| [18:58] | No, I’ll be right over. | |
| [19:00] | I very much appreciate the call. | |
| [19:03] | Everything all right? | |
| [19:06] | Lucas is in the hospital. | |
| [19:09] | After he returned from court today, | |
| [19:11] | he tried to hang himself. | |
| [19:26] | Sorry I’m late. | |
| [19:28] | What kind of shape is he in? | |
| [19:30] | Well, at the moment, he’s heavily sedated. | |
| [19:32] | One of the other inmates heard him choking | |
| [19:34] | and called out to the guards. | |
| [19:36] | They cut him down and resuscitated him. | |
| [19:39] | The good news is he’s going to be fine. | |
| [19:43] | So, anybody venturing a guess about when he’ll be awake, | |
| [19:45] | when I can get him back in court? | |
| [19:47] | They’re guessing his sedation wouldn’t wear off | |
| [19:49] | until midday tomorrow. | |
| [19:52] | So… | |
| [19:53] | what now? | |
| [19:54] | Now we roar into the courtroom tomorrow morning | |
| [19:56] | before the prosecution is any wiser, | |
| [19:58] | and Benny files a motion to try and keep all this | |
| [20:00] | from being introduced into the record. | |
| [20:01] | Why? I mean, I’m no lawyer, | |
| [20:04] | but if I’m on the jury, | |
| [20:06] | doesn’t the idea that he | |
| [20:07] | almost tried to kill himself make Lucas look… | |
| [20:11] | sympathetic? | |
| [20:12] | You’d think so, wouldn’t you? | |
| [20:14] | But that’s not how the other side will spin it. | |
| [20:16] | They will claim it is proof | |
| [20:18] | Lucas felt guilty about what he did, | |
| [20:20] | that he knows he did something he shouldn’t have, | |
| [20:22] | and since we’re telling the jury the exact opposite… | |
| [20:25] | That he didn’t know the difference | |
| [20:27] | between right and wrong… | |
| [20:28] | The trial would effectively be over | |
| [20:30] | before we ever called a witness. | |
| [20:33] | That the suicide attempt is | |
| [20:35] | somehow connected to this caseworker’s death | |
| [20:37] | is pure speculation. | |
| [20:39] | I mean, look at everything this young man has been through. | |
| [20:41] | He watched | |
| [20:43] | as his father was shot to death right in front of him. | |
| [20:45] | He’s been pulled away | |
| [20:46] | from the only home he’s ever known. | |
| [20:48] | He’s spent this last week either in a-a courtroom | |
| [20:51] | or a jail cell. | |
| [20:53] | If we are going to hypothesize, | |
| [20:55] | shouldn’t we say | |
| [20:56] | that maybe depression is the cause of… of this behavior? | |
| [20:59] | Your Honor, | |
| [21:01] | Dr. Jason Bull. | |
| [21:03] | I’m part of the defense team and a doctor of psychology. | |
| [21:05] | I know who you are, Dr. Bull. | |
| [21:08] | Well, in my professional opinion, | |
| [21:09] | it’s likely that this child tried to kill himself | |
| [21:11] | because the only man he knew, the only man he trusted, | |
| [21:15] | his father, was being referred to | |
| [21:17] | as the person most responsible for his own death | |
| [21:20] | and his son’s incarceration. | |
| [21:22] | Now, this man was the boy’s God. His North Star. | |
| [21:25] | Everything he knew about life he learned from this man, | |
| [21:28] | and to hear that he could be so profoundly wrong | |
| [21:31] | had to be cataclysmic for him | |
| [21:33] | and was surely reason enough for him to consider | |
| [21:36] | taking his own life. | |
| [21:41] | I’m not sure what I believe the boy was thinking. | |
| [21:43] | Respectfully, that’s for the jury to decide. | |
| [21:46] | And they won’t get to decide if we withhold | |
| [21:48] | the defendant’s suicide attempt from them. | |
| [21:53] | I agree with the defense, | |
| [21:55] | and I find the prejudicial impact | |
| [21:58] | outweighs the probative value. | |
| [22:01] | The attempted suicide will not be allowed into evidence. | |
| [22:04] | When will the defendant | |
| [22:06] | be available so that the trial can resume? | |
| [22:08] | We will get you the answer to that question | |
| [22:10] | as soon as possible, Your Honor. | |
| [22:14] | I am so sorry. | |
| [22:15] | It’s amazing what he can do in a split second. | |
| [22:18] | It’s fine. | |
| [22:19] | Here, Mommy. | |
| [22:24] | How old is he? | |
| [22:25] | 22 months. | |
| [22:27] | Almost two. | |
| [22:29] | Two years since I’ve had a full night’s sleep. | |
| [22:31] | Two years since I’ve read a book. | |
| [22:32] | Two years since I’ve been to the gym. | |
| [22:33] | You have kids? | |
| [22:36] | Yeah, I can tell. | |
| [22:37] | You lack frazzle. | |
| [22:41] | Bye. | |
| [22:46] | Well, turns out the nearest neighbors | |
| [22:48] | are almost a quarter mile away. | |
| [22:50] | They seemed to know that there was a teenager | |
| [22:52] | and an old man living near them, | |
| [22:53] | but they said that they’d sometimes hear gunfire, | |
| [22:55] | so they kept their distance. | |
| [22:56] | Maybe there’s someone | |
| [22:58] | from their past. | |
| [23:00] | He told me his mother hung herself when he was little. | |
| [23:02] | I’ll bet that’s where he got the idea. | |
| [23:04] | Maybe there’s someone | |
| [23:06] | who knew her, who was friends with her before she… | |
| [23:08] | That would be great. | |
| [23:10] | Someone we could get to testify | |
| [23:13] | to how Lucas had a normal life at one time | |
| [23:15] | and a completely isolated one once the mother passed. | |
| [23:19] | I know it drives the kid crazy, | |
| [23:21] | but we have to keep hammering away | |
| [23:22] | at what a lunatic the father was. | |
| [23:24] | What about the person who called Child Protective Services? | |
| [23:26] | There’s a reason why | |
| [23:27] | these folks went out to take a look. | |
| [23:29] | Someone had to have called in a complaint. | |
| [23:31] | Yep. A woman named Yvonne Fowler. | |
| [23:33] | She won’t take my calls, | |
| [23:35] | and she doesn’t answer the door when I visit her house, | |
| [23:36] | but I haven’t given up. | |
| [23:38] | Well, I’m about to. I’m exhausted. | |
| [23:40] | Court’s back in session first thing in the morning. | |
| [23:42] | You don’t have to tell me twice. | |
| [23:49] | My son is obsessed with sending me poop emojis. | |
| [23:52] | I wonder if it means something. | |
| [23:54] | You are always on duty, aren’t you? | |
| [23:56] | On duty? | |
| [23:58] | That’s a joke, right? | |
| [24:01] | Hey, let me ask you something. | |
| [24:03] | How’d you know you wanted to have kids? | |
| [24:06] | Was it something… | |
| [24:07] | you just felt in your soul, | |
| [24:09] | or did you just sense it was the right time? | |
| [24:12] | Neither. It was more like a three-martini night, | |
| [24:14] | and nine months later we needed a crib. | |
| [24:16] | I mean, | |
| [24:18] | it wasn’t planned, | |
| [24:19] | but wouldn’t trade it for anything. | |
| [24:22] | You getting an itch? | |
| [24:25] | Not even a tickle. | |
| [24:27] | Greg? | |
| [24:29] | He wants what I want. | |
| [24:31] | At least, that’s what he says. | |
| [24:33] | And you don’t know what you want. | |
| [24:35] | No. | |
| [24:37] | I envy you. | |
| [24:39] | Really? Why? | |
| [24:40] | It feels terrible from in here. | |
| [24:43] | Because no matter what happens, no matter what you do, | |
| [24:46] | it’s gonna be wonderful. | |
| [24:50] | You’re either gonna get what you want, | |
| [24:52] | or you’re gonna… get what you want. | |
| [24:58] | The people would like to call Yvonne Fowler to the stand. | |
| [25:02] | Yvonne Fowler? | |
| [25:03] | Isn’t she the one Danny said called in the complaint | |
| [25:06] | to Child Services? | |
| [25:07] | Looks like she took the prosecution’s call. | |
| [25:11] | I know her. | |
| [25:13] | Ms. Fowler, | |
| [25:14] | could you please tell the court how you came to meet | |
| [25:17] | Lucas Schwieger? | |
| [25:19] | I’m a nurse at St. Benjamin’s Hospital, | |
| [25:22] | which is about five miles from where Norman and Lucas lived. | |
| [25:25] | A few months ago, Norman showed up | |
| [25:28] | in the middle of the night at the hospital with Lucas. | |
| [25:30] | Norman had walking pneumonia. | |
| [25:34] | Once we got Norman checked in, | |
| [25:35] | I realized Lucas had nowhere to go. | |
| [25:38] | So I brought him home with me, | |
| [25:40] | thinking it would just be for a day or so. | |
| [25:44] | But one day turned into two, two turned into a week, | |
| [25:47] | and Lucas ended up staying with us for three weeks. | |
| [25:51] | And when you say “us”? | |
| [25:52] | My husband and two children. | |
| [25:54] | Boys. Seven and nine. | |
| [25:56] | So, when the defense claims Mr. Schwieger | |
| [25:58] | spent his whole life in isolation, | |
| [26:01] | that simply isn’t true, is it? | |
| [26:03] | I don’t know anything about his whole life. | |
| [26:05] | Well, but you can categorically state | |
| [26:06] | that he lived with you? | |
| [26:08] | Had running water, home-cooked meals, | |
| [26:11] | slept in a warm bed for a period | |
| [26:14] | of three weeks? | |
| [26:16] | Yes, he did. | |
| [26:18] | Now, you’re very active in your church, | |
| [26:19] | aren’t you, Ms. Fowler? | |
| [26:21] | Our whole family is. | |
| [26:22] | I teach Sunday school. | |
| [26:24] | During the three weeks Lucas lived with you, | |
| [26:27] | did you ever take him to church? | |
| [26:29] | Every Sunday. | |
| [26:30] | He said he’d never stepped inside a church before, | |
| [26:33] | and he seemed to like it. | |
| [26:36] | The singing, the shaking hands, the sermon. | |
| [26:39] | My boys showed him how | |
| [26:41] | to put money in the plate. | |
| [26:43] | Hard to know if this is good or bad | |
| [26:45] | for our side. | |
| [26:46] | Anything that suggests Lucas knew right from wrong. | |
| [26:48] | So, I’m curious. | |
| [26:50] | Did you ever take Mr. Schwieger with you to Sunday school? | |
| [26:52] | Yes, I did once. | |
| [26:54] | Could you tell the court what lessons | |
| [26:55] | were being taught that Sunday? | |
| [26:56] | We talked about the Ten Commandments. | |
| [26:59] | And that particular week was the fifth commandment | |
| [27:01] | Thou shalt not kill. | |
| [27:07] | Jury’s slipping away. | |
| [27:08] | They’re starting to sense | |
| [27:10] | that he’s seen enough of the world | |
| [27:11] | to know the difference between right and wrong. | |
| [27:13] | You don’t just shoot people | |
| [27:14] | when they show up in front of your house. | |
| [27:16] | So, how’d it go in there? | |
| [27:19] | We’ve had better days. | |
| [27:21] | You still interested in making the father the villain? | |
| [27:22] | I’m not sure it much matters to the jury at this point. | |
| [27:25] | Maybe that’s because they haven’t heard | |
| [27:27] | the really bad stuff. Really bad stuff? Like what? | |
| [27:29] | Like, how about telling a child his whole life | |
| [27:31] | that his mother is dead when she’s actually alive. | |
| [27:42] | You good if I smoke? | |
| [27:49] | Anybody thirsty? | |
| [27:51] | We’re fine. We just wanted to ask you a few questions | |
| [27:53] | about your ex-husband, Norman, and your son, Lucas. | |
| [27:56] | Well, I mean, I’ll tell you everything I know. | |
| [28:00] | Did you know that Norman died? | |
| [28:02] | Shot by a state trooper. | |
| [28:04] | And that your son, Lucas, is on trial for murder? | |
| [28:09] | No, I didn’t know that. | |
| [28:11] | You aware that your son thinks you’re dead? | |
| [28:14] | Well, I’m not surprised. | |
| [28:16] | You ever meet his father? | |
| [28:17] | Never had the pleasure. | |
| [28:18] | What can you tell me about him? | |
| [28:21] | He’s crazy. | |
| [28:23] | I just finally said, | |
| [28:24] | “I’m gonna take Lucas and leave.” | |
| [28:27] | And how’d Norman feel about that? | |
| [28:29] | That night I woke up | |
| [28:31] | and find Norman on top of me with a pistol in my mouth. | |
| [28:33] | And he said if I ever tried to take the boy, | |
| [28:35] | he was gonna kill both of us. | |
| [28:38] | How old was Lucas? | |
| [28:39] | He’d just turned three. | |
| [28:42] | So, that night, the second he fell asleep, | |
| [28:45] | I was out the window. | |
| [28:47] | I didn’t even kiss my baby good-bye. | |
| [28:51] | I know it’s been a long time, | |
| [28:53] | but we need your son’s jury to hear | |
| [28:54] | what it was like to live with that man, | |
| [28:56] | to hear the story you just told us. | |
| [28:59] | Yeah, I don’t think so. | |
| [29:01] | I got a really busy schedule. | |
| [29:04] | You have a drug problem, Mrs. Schwieger? | |
| [29:06] | It’s not a problem for me. | |
| [29:08] | Okay, I’m gonna step outside. | |
| [29:09] | She’s gonna stay in here with you. | |
| [29:11] | I want you to put on the closest thing you have | |
| [29:13] | to a decent dress, | |
| [29:14] | and then we are going to the courthouse. | |
| [29:16] | And don’t try going out the window. | |
| [29:18] | She’s ex-FBI. | |
| [29:24] | She could be anybody. | |
| [29:25] | But she isn’t. | |
| [29:27] | Can I smoke? No. | |
| [29:31] | She’s gonna tell the jury | |
| [29:33] | what life was like with your father before she left. | |
| [29:35] | And you’re not gonna like hearing it, | |
| [29:36] | but I need you to promise that you will not react. | |
| [29:39] | No noises. No faces. | |
| [29:41] | No standing. No talking. | |
| [29:46] | Don’t worry, I won’t do nothing. | |
| [29:51] | I don’t even know her. | |
| [29:53] | He knocked me around | |
| [29:55] | all the time. | |
| [29:57] | Wouldn’t let us go out. | |
| [29:58] | He didn’t trust anyone. | |
| [30:00] | Objection, Your Honor. What does any of this have to do | |
| [30:03] | with whether or not Lucas Schwieger shot a police officer? | |
| [30:05] | If it pleases the court, | |
| [30:07] | in order to understand what happened | |
| [30:09] | the day of the shooting, we have to understand | |
| [30:11] | what kind of environment Lucas came from. | |
| [30:13] | Overruled. | |
| [30:15] | Now, you were saying… | |
| [30:17] | He just got stranger and stranger. | |
| [30:19] | He-he stopped letting me leave the cabin at all. | |
| [30:23] | He… he rigged up alarms | |
| [30:25] | so that he would know if somebody came and went. | |
| [30:27] | He said that the government | |
| [30:29] | was watching him from satellites. | |
| [30:30] | From space? | |
| [30:32] | Yeah. Sometimes at night he’d go outside, | |
| [30:36] | and-and he’d scream at them. | |
| [30:37] | He’d shoot his guns up in the air. | |
| [30:39] | I mean, I was scared all the time. | |
| [30:41] | It was no way to live. | |
| [30:42] | And it probably wasn’t any better for Lucas, either. | |
| [30:45] | Thank you. No further questions, Your Honor. | |
| [30:48] | Well, that made an impact. | |
| [30:50] | No reds have flipped green, but I can see | |
| [30:52] | that their attitudes about Lucas are in flux. | |
| [30:54] | For the first time, they’re sympathizing with him. | |
| [30:59] | Let’s take a moment and talk about your past. | |
| [31:02] | Are you | |
| [31:03] | the same Brenda Schwieger | |
| [31:04] | who was convicted of forging checks? | |
| [31:07] | Sentenced to court-appointed rehab twice? | |
| [31:10] | Hasn’t had a full-time job in almost 20 years? | |
| [31:12] | And you expect this jury | |
| [31:14] | to believe anything you have to say? | |
| [31:16] | You got me. | |
| [31:17] | I don’t even want to be here. | |
| [31:18] | I just was told that I had to. | |
| [31:21] | But I’ll tell you this. | |
| [31:23] | My husband ruined me. | |
| [31:25] | I used to be a human being. | |
| [31:29] | So whatever kind of person Lucas has become, | |
| [31:32] | trust me, it’s because his father got him there. | |
| [31:35] | If my little baby has become a killer, | |
| [31:38] | it’s because his father turned him into one. | |
| [31:48] | She was good. | |
| [31:50] | You think it was enough? | |
| [31:52] | No. | |
| [31:54] | But I have an idea. | |
| [31:56] | So these are of | |
| [31:58] | the inside of the cabin. | |
| [32:00] | As you can see, it’s pretty spartan. | |
| [32:01] | You can use these to show | |
| [32:02] | the jury how little stimulation was available. | |
| [32:05] | No books, no radio, no TV. | |
| [32:08] | Obviously, no computers. | |
| [32:10] | And most importantly, no outlets for learning. | |
| [32:13] | All right, so these are the air horns and the trip wires | |
| [32:16] | Norman installed around the property | |
| [32:18] | to ward against intruders. | |
| [32:19] | Got it. | |
| [32:21] | Helps demonstrate the paranoia. | |
| [32:22] | Fear of outsiders, the isolation. | |
| [32:25] | Ready for the next series? | |
| [32:26] | Fire when ready. | |
| [32:32] | What are we looking at here? | |
| [32:34] | It’s a homemade target range. | |
| [32:36] | Metal head and torso silhouettes. | |
| [32:38] | By the way, the police dusted all of this. | |
| [32:40] | The guns, the targets. | |
| [32:42] | Lucas’s fingerprints were everywhere. | |
| [32:45] | His father’s? Norman’s? | |
| [32:47] | Not so much. | |
| [32:50] | Wow. | |
| [32:52] | All those bull’s-eyes. | |
| [32:54] | One on top of the other. Looks like | |
| [32:56] | Lucas was quite the shot. | |
| [32:57] | How far away would you say the targets were | |
| [32:59] | from the stand where Lucas would have been shooting from? | |
| [33:02] | I’m not sure | |
| [33:04] | we really want the jury looking at this target range. | |
| [33:07] | I mean, it’s kind of horrific. | |
| [33:09] | Kind of like looking at a murderer’s training ground. | |
| [33:11] | Actually, I disagree. | |
| [33:14] | I think this is exactly what the jury needs to see. | |
| [33:16] | Okay. Well, how are we gonna get all this in? | |
| [33:19] | Who’s on the stand? | |
| [33:20] | Can’t just stand up in front of a court | |
| [33:22] | and show photos without any context. | |
| [33:24] | We need somebody to authenticate them, | |
| [33:26] | to say that this is really where Lucas lived, | |
| [33:28] | that this is really what it looked like. | |
| [33:30] | Who are we gonna get to do that? | |
| [33:35] | I was thinking… Lucas. | |
| [33:46] | Good morning, Lucas. | |
| [33:47] | First time in a witness box? | |
| [33:49] | Yes. | |
| [33:51] | Well, you know how this works, right? | |
| [33:55] | They made you raise your right hand a moment ago, and | |
| [33:58] | you promised to tell the truth. | |
| [33:59] | You understand that, don’t you? | |
| [34:01] | Yes. | |
| [34:03] | All right. | |
| [34:04] | Now… | |
| [34:07] | Does this picture…? | |
| [34:10] | Does this look familiar to you? | |
| [34:12] | Does it look like a place you know? | |
| [34:14] | Yes. | |
| [34:16] | It’s behind my house. | |
| [34:18] | It’s a target range. | |
| [34:21] | Right? A place where… | |
| [34:23] | people practice shooting guns? | |
| [34:25] | Yes. | |
| [34:27] | You shoot there a lot? | |
| [34:29] | Pretty much almost every day. | |
| [34:31] | All right. | |
| [34:32] | Now how far was that target from where you shot? | |
| [34:37] | I-I don’t get you. | |
| [34:38] | How many steps? I mean, if you had to take a guess. | |
| [34:42] | Um… | |
| [34:44] | at least a hundred. | |
| [34:46] | Okay. | |
| [34:48] | And how far away from the house was the state trooper | |
| [34:51] | and the lady he brought with him? | |
| [34:53] | The one your dad shot? | |
| [34:55] | Maybe… | |
| [34:57] | 20 steps. | |
| [34:59] | Never really counted. | |
| [35:01] | Objection. Relevance? | |
| [35:03] | If the court would just indulge me for a moment more, please? | |
| [35:06] | Overruled. | |
| [35:08] | Thank you, Your Honor. | |
| [35:10] | Do you recognize this picture? | |
| [35:13] | That’s what I shoot at. | |
| [35:15] | So these are your bullet holes? | |
| [35:17] | I’m the only one | |
| [35:18] | who shoots there. | |
| [35:21] | So if you shoot at these targets pretty much every day, | |
| [35:26] | and they’re at least a hundred feet away, | |
| [35:29] | why’d you shoot that state trooper in the leg? | |
| [35:40] | The witness will answer the question. That’s all right. | |
| [35:42] | I’ll rephrase. | |
| [35:44] | Didn’t your father tell you, “It’s kill or be killed”? | |
| [35:49] | Again, | |
| [35:52] | the witness will answer the question. | |
| [35:53] | I’ll withdraw the question. Let me ask another. | |
| [35:55] | Do you recognize the phrase, | |
| [35:57] | “thou shalt not kill”? | |
| [36:00] | Have you heard that before? | |
| [36:03] | Yes. | |
| [36:05] | Sunday school, right? | |
| [36:06] | Yes. | |
| [36:08] | And did it go through your mind | |
| [36:10] | when your father told you, “Kill or be killed”? | |
| [36:17] | Lucas? | |
| [36:22] | Yes. | |
| [36:24] | That’s why you shot that state trooper in the leg | |
| [36:27] | and not through the head or the heart | |
| [36:29] | like you’ve been practicing your whole life to do? | |
| [36:32] | Yes. | |
| [36:37] | Thank you, Your Honor. | |
| [36:38] | No further questions. | |
| [36:39] | Let’s take a 20-minute recess. | |
| [36:48] | Did you bring me in here to gloat? | |
| [36:50] | I brought you in here to see if we could cut a deal. | |
| [36:52] | A deal? | |
| [36:54] | Why would you want to make a deal? | |
| [36:56] | The jury is almost certainly going to vote | |
| [36:58] | to let the boy go free. | |
| [36:59] | Because I’m not necessarily convinced | |
| [37:02] | that that’s the best thing for him. | |
| [37:06] | Seemed like you guys were talking for an hour. | |
| [37:09] | Where’s he going? | |
| [37:10] | To tell the judge the good news. | |
| [37:12] | We’re done. | |
| [37:13] | No more jail, no more court. | |
| [37:15] | Yvonne, | |
| [37:18] | the woman you stayed with for three weeks, has agreed | |
| [37:22] | to let you live with her and her family until you’re 18. | |
| [37:25] | It’s what we call “probation.” | |
| [37:27] | It’s kind of like a test | |
| [37:30] | to see if you can follow the rules, and… | |
| [37:33] | you don’t have any problems. | |
| [37:35] | And the A.D.A. and I would also like you | |
| [37:37] | to see Dr. Statton once a week. | |
| [37:40] | You remember her from the hospital? | |
| [37:42] | She introduced us? | |
| [37:44] | She’s a good doctor. | |
| [37:45] | A doctor for your feelings. | |
| [37:47] | Someone for you to talk to. | |
| [37:51] | Okay. | |
| [37:52] | That’s it? | |
| [37:54] | It’s a pretty terrific deal. | |
| [37:55] | Nice work. | |
| [37:57] | I didn’t do it. Lucas did. | |
| [38:00] | He got on the stand and told the truth. | |
| [38:02] | But I can’t go home? | |
| [38:06] | Not to your old home, no. | |
| [38:10] | It was never really yours. | |
| [38:12] | Your father was a squatter. | |
| [38:15] | A person who lives someplace, | |
| [38:17] | but doesn’t really own it. | |
| [38:20] | That’s why he was so protective of it. | |
| [38:21] | The guns, the alarms. | |
| [38:24] | He knew he wasn’t supposed to be there. | |
| [38:27] | I’m sorry. | |
| [38:32] | The judge agreed. | |
| [38:38] | Does this mean I can go to school now? | |
| [38:41] | I’m sure we can figure something out. | |
| [38:43] | Learn to read? | |
| [38:45] | I’m sure whatever school you end up at, | |
| [38:48] | they’d love to help you with that. | |
| [38:50] | Hey, you ever been to a restaurant? | |
| [38:53] | What’s that? | |
| [38:55] | Well, you ever been to a celebration? | |
| [38:59] | I-I don’t know. | |
| [39:00] | What does one look like? | |
| [39:03] | You’ve got your whole life ahead of you. | |
| [39:05] | So much great stuff. | |
| [39:11] | Ask me about work today. | |
| [39:16] | Okay. | |
| [39:18] | How was work today? | |
| [39:20] | We’ve been working on this case. | |
| [39:22] | This kid… he’s, like, 16. | |
| [39:24] | Completely lost the parent lottery. | |
| [39:27] | Up on murder charges. | |
| [39:29] | Mother’s a junkie. | |
| [39:30] | Father was a delusional paranoid | |
| [39:32] | who thought the world was coming to an end. | |
| [39:35] | And your point? | |
| [39:38] | It scares me. | |
| [39:40] | His parents | |
| [39:43] | must have been in love once upon a time, | |
| [39:44] | or at the very least, in lust. | |
| [39:47] | This kid was… born a baby. | |
| [39:51] | A cute, beautiful baby. | |
| [39:55] | How did it all go so wrong? | |
| [39:58] | If God is so smart, | |
| [40:00] | why does he or she let people like that have children, | |
| [40:04] | let alone be attracted to each other? | |
| [40:06] | You are so much smarter than that question suggests. | |
| [40:09] | Maybe I’m not. | |
| [40:13] | Maybe I’m not really any of the things I like to think I am. | |
| [40:16] | I mean… | |
| [40:19] | look at my parents. | |
| [40:22] | Look at what happened to me. | |
| [40:27] | So this is how we’re gonna make this momentous decision. | |
| [40:32] | In the middle of the night, half asleep. | |
| [40:37] | I don’t know. | |
| [40:40] | Do you have an opinion? | |
| [40:44] | Actually, I do. | |
| [40:49] | I’m as frightened as you are… of failing. | |
| [40:53] | I’m… terrified | |
| [40:57] | at the prospect of letting another human being down. | |
| [41:02] | But there’s also a part of me that thinks it would be scary | |
| [41:04] | and dangerous if I didn’t have those fears. | |
| [41:10] | So what are you saying? | |
| [41:14] | I’m saying… | |
| [41:17] | your parents robbed you of so much. | |
| [41:22] | Don’t let them rob you of this. | |
| [41:25] | This choice. | |
| [41:29] | If you don’t want to have a baby, let’s not. | |
| [41:32] | But if you’re afraid of having a baby because of your parents… | |
| [41:38] | then I’m gonna force you to have a baby | |
| [41:40] | just to prove you wrong. | |
| [41:43] | You and what army? | |
| [41:46] | Come here. | |
| [41:50] | I want to start right now. | |
| [41:52] | You understand this is not how this works. | |
| [41:54] | We go to an office. | |
| [41:56] | We don’t do it like this? | |
| [41:58] | Well, they show you porn. | |
| [41:59] | Porn? Really? | |
| [42:02] | Wow. | |
| [42:04] | The things we do for our kids. | |
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